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:iconnonier:
Oh, dear.... Brace yourself, okay? I've always loved your art--your Dis is in my Favorites, and the best picture of a female Dwarf I've ever seen, but something's gone seriously wrong with this picture, because your description says this is intended to be cute and sexy, and I'm guessing we're supposed to be seeing a willing-but-shy Tauriel being encouraged by a loving Kili.

But if so, I regret to say that your otherwise brilliantly skillful art is showing this scene wrong.

If she's willing, her body language is way off--she's flinching away in more than simple shyness. If he's reassuring her, helping her get over her fear, HIS body language is way off; he's holding her pinned while smiling and _not looking at her_. And the combination is highly disturbing.

With the possible exception of her forward thigh (which could simply be a matter of balance), EVERY line of her body looks stiff and terrified, as though she's trying to push him away.

She's turned her head away from him, with a tight face and worried brows, and eyes shut as if she doesn't want to be there or see him. Her shoulders are forward and her arms between them, as if she's trying to protect her body and push him away.This isn't a sexy situation, at least from her point of view at the moment; she's trying desperately to get away but he's keeping her pinned against him.

I'm NOT saying this looks like a deliberate and sadistic rape; he isn't open-eyed to gloat at her terror or clawing at her body with clear intent to bruise.

But he DOES seem to be ignoring her fear and her physical attempt to get free; both his smile and his closed eyes say he's focused on what he's feeling and not how she's reacting.

He can't be unaware of how she's reacting, since even with his eyes closed he must be able to feel her her rigid and probably trembling attempt to push him away, but he's not looking at her either to see what the problem is or to reassure her, and his expression doesn't look concerned or sympathetic; he's just holding her pinned while he smiles and keeps his eyes closed.

So whatever you intend with this scene, which I'm guessing was "She's willing but shy, and he reassures and encourages her and then everything goes well," his ACTUAL body language says "I don't care if you're scared or trying to get away, I'm strong enough to hold you here and _I_ am enjoying myself."

Nearest modern equivalent to his pose? "Girl, if you didn't want this you wouldn't have come to our frat party, so shut up and enjoy it."

So yeah, no. Just no.

I've never had this reaction to your art before; you've gotten my enthusiastic comments on several of your other pics, and at least one Fave, so I KNOW you don't lack skills or (in general) vision, or I wouldn't be quite this crisp about what looks wrong here.

So now I'm having trouble figuring out how to list the, y'know, Ratings category stars on this pic, because this is a very skillful and disturbing picture that shows something very different from the mood you described.

If my description IS what you had in mind--something like a smug date-rape--let me know and I'll change my ratings (and stop following your art entirely, because date rape is something I REALLY can't support romanticising). Otherwise, though, I can only rate it as a failed attempt to depict a loving and positive scene.

With my regrets and apologies for being a pain about this,

--Nonie
2 out of 2 deviants thought this was fair.

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:iconingvildschageart:
IngvildSchageArt Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Also the grip he has on her is because I thought it was sweet of he held her up while she had her legs around him. And I imagined him has having his nose and mouth to her cheek, so I don't agree with what you say about he not caring about her.

But you are allowed to have your own opinions, it just really upset me to hear you say that about my drawing. I don't want anyone to think I want him raping her, that is absolutely not what I want to show. I have Kili as this really sweet, affectionate, caring man, especially about Tauriel, so I'm so sorry you feel this way!!

And I'm sorry if the previous reply was somewhat rude, I had just woken up, and it really upset me, so I just wanted to make sure you understood my thoughts around the drawing! Seriously I don't know what to do now...
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:iconnonier:
NonieR Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2014
Thanks for not just flaming me; I had to tell you what I saw (and give an honest critique), but I really didn't think you MEANT it to be a rape scene, which is why I was horrified by the accidental end result rather than assuming you intended it that way. Sorry I sometimes overstate things to make myself clear.

Your fan,

--Nonie
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:iconingvildschageart:
IngvildSchageArt Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well I'm happy to hear you're still a fan, anyways! It was really horrible to hear, but I don't blame you! It can be taken the wrong way, I see that now, and I'm sorry I awoke such thoughts in you.. I know art is supposed to be disturbing, but not that disturbing! :S

I promise to make the next drawing of them suggar sweet and nothing sexual! You have my word! :hug:

And please continue to critique and be honest on my works, it is the only way to grow as an artist, and I really appreciate it!
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:iconnonier:
NonieR Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2014
Hey, sexual art is great! It's just the, hmm, accidental imbalance in this particular pic that took me off-balance--his showing only the positive signs and her showing only the negative ones of their shared feelings.

So don't hold back on my behalf, neh?

--Nonie
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IngvildSchageArt Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow... I am TRULY sorry if that is how you see it. I never imagined... One can get very blind on ones drawings..

Okay but let me explain! The intentional sketch was supposed to be inspired by my fanfiction where they both have inter course but they also struggle with the fact that they can't ever be together for the hatred of their people. I tried to portray this desperation in their expressions, but I realize it took overhand. Also I was probably frustrated while drawing this, being a single girl and all, and I thought it could be thought as right in the middle of the sexscene.. Also I'm sorry about her arms, I'm just very awkward at drawing arms when two characters interlace.. But I did try to make her hand stroke his neck, but I realize I failed..

So I am very sorry that you see it as a rape scene, but it was not my intention, and I won't take it down either way. I hope my explanation brings you some kind of clarity.
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